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PostSubject: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:35 am

Hi guys,

After the last discussion re: motivation behind self defence training I got to thinking that I'd love to see some footage of what you guys actually do in training. So with that in mind, if you have any videos of you and your club training, doing drills, sparring, whatever it might be please post here. If nothing else it makes for more meaningful discussion when you know where the other person is coming from.

I don't have any training videos of myself but here are two of my fights to get the ball rolling

My last night, a few months ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGxFE7WsN1s

A fight from a few years back
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8881001449150714049&ei=aFTASJ6hMIn0jALb0cyNCQ&q=tim+murphy+colm+reilly

Actually just found a short clip of me doing light clinch work from a few years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuK5Qswggb0
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:58 am

Not a bad idea, Tim. Steve Morris used to do this on his forum. Some nice videos you have there.

The only stuff I have of me on Youtube are of my two documentary DVDs, which doesn't count as I am promoting other people and shows none of my club's own training. There's my website, but again there is no footage of what my club actually do. Getting footage on Youtube is definitely on the agenda - if I wasn't such a technophobe. Will have to get the step-son onto it, as I need to get stuff out there.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:54 am

Hey Tim,

Nice idea... Good vids by the way.

Good to see you go revenge on that Mark fella'. Mhahah... Twisted Evil Kidding of course.

I've got to say, I have a hell of a lot of respect for anyone getting into a ring and competing like that.

Like Jamie, I've no vids of myself around. Well, I have some stuff of me which is just "dry training", and won't really convey the message. Lee has a clip of me which I think might work. I'll have to get him to send it over.

What also might be a good idea is to find a couple of clips from SP instructors we like. They will be able to show you what we do.

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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:03 pm

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What also might be a good idea is to find a couple of clips from SP instructors we like. They will be able to show you what we do.

This will only give a vague idea for me. I am bursting to get out the drills we have developed.

Found something! These are my kids over two years ago, so it is a bit out of date:

http://sceptic.darkbb.com/martial-arts-f27/videos-of-what-you-do-t226.htm#820
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:42 pm

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What also might be a good idea is to find a couple of clips from SP instructors we like. They will be able to show you what we do.
Cool, that would be good. too.

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Found something! These are my kids over two years ago, so it is a bit out of date:

http://sceptic.darkbb.com/martial-arts-f27/videos-of-what-you-do-t226.htm#820
Wrong link!
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:49 am

http://www.videojuicer.com/woma/channels/2169/playlists/2173/movies/260.html

Any better! Out of date by two years, we have moved on a lot from this honest! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:07 pm

Jamie Clubb wrote:
http://www.videojuicer.com/woma/channels/2169/playlists/2173/movies/260.html

Any better! Out of date by two years, we have moved on a lot from this honest! Laughing
Cool, thanks for posting it. I'll admit I don't really like the constant talk of self defence but that's just me, I prefer to see kids just doing an activity they enjoy doing. But again that's just me.

When you mean you've moved on a lot sense then what exactly do you mean? How is what you do now different?

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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:34 pm

The principles are still the same, but we do more cross-training/mma now. At the time was just trying to establish myself as a realistic self-defence coach and I wanted to get this firmly down pat before we progressed onto MMA etc. The standards of my students are now higher and we have more refined activities to get the best out of beginners.

This is the way I view my hierarchy of training.

1. Specific training - in terms of an overall view of my classes this means self-defence orientated training - handling verbal aggression, sparring where the emphasis is on one person escaping, pre-emptive strike drills, multiple attackers, weapons etc. (However, specific training inside "attribute training" may be something like guard-passing)

2. Attribute/Cross-Training - stepping off the self-defence line to improve hard skills - boxing, wrestling, bjj, submission grappling, muay thai, mma etc. This is all about researching fighting tactics in order to eventually use this experience to reinforce the limited skills needed for self-defence.

3. Functional Fitness - Mental and physical conditioning with exercises designed specifically to improve your martial arts training - see "Training for Warriors" book and Mo Teague's "Red Flag Day" for obvious examples.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:39 am

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The standards of my students are now higher and we have more refined activities to get the best out of beginners.
Sounds good. Smile

Just out of interest, have you ever seen any of the SBG "play as the way" stuff? What do you think of it?

Is it mainly kids in your club or do you have many adults training as well?
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:41 pm

We have a small but growing adult class with two, possibly three, competing in MMA in November.

I haven't seen the "play as the way". I'll check it out.

A key thing we do with a student is to emphasize individualism first and then scepticism as an appraisal. If a new student comes to me I like to set them up with an activity where they can show me what they naturally do under pressure. From that I cultivate their natural skills rather than try to indoctrinate them into a set. If it is a private lesson I actually sit down and get them to do the talking first to hear exactly what they want before I coach a single thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:39 pm

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From the maestro - Geoff Thompson

Animal Day Training (bad quality unfortunately)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5yS1HYV2fI&feature=related
The Animal Day stuff was definitely a big step forward in its day. Its one of the precursors to a lot of the MMA training you see today.


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Lee Morrison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVdQuvZdyyM
I never fail to be underwhelmed by this type of stuff TBH.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:58 pm

That was the only clip I could find of Lee. That was just an instructional piece re the axe hand.

Believe me, he is a complete advocate of full contact and hardcore training. That's one reason why I'm reluctant to converse with MMA guys on the subject. They only ever really see a small piece of the puzzle, and never investigate further. So I feel it's often a pointless exercise. You'll notice I rarely discuss the subject on boards these days.

But to be fair, I'm always unimpressed with the MMA approach. I admire the skills and dedication and grit. But seeing people rolling around the floor doe's noting for me and I think it's a poor approach for the street to use.

It will give someone the attributes, but not the strategy or tactics.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:23 pm

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Believe me, he is a complete advocate of full contact and hardcore training.
Ya I'm aware of that alright.

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But to be fair, I'm always unimpressed with the MMA approach.
Why exactly are you unimpressed with the "MMA approach"? The MMA approach to what exactly? The 'MMA approach' as a very general term would be quite similar to Animal day.

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I admire the skills and dedication and grit. But seeing people rolling around the floor doe's noting for me and I think it's a poor approach for the street to use.
Yes it would be, but who exactly uses it 'for the street'? I think we are in danger here of heading into straw man territory.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:03 pm

Well, I'm not trying to set up a straw man argument per se. I know MMA is a ring craft - which is exactly what it's designed for, and it does this very well.

But I personally equate all training with the street, as that's the only thing that interests me. I have no interest in contact sports (except for the odd Boxing match). And unless there is something that we can use form them, and apply it to what we do. Hence, the whole boxing mechanics, etc.

So in turn MMA has little interest for me.

The MMA approach is pretty broad as you say, to it's still has the confines of a ring (which is what it's meant to be for). And good luck to them - but it's not for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:29 pm

Well MMA training in general is no more confined than the Animal day stuff which I presume you are a fan of, except that good MMA guys would be of a much higher standard in general (that's not to take away from the fact that Animal Day was quite innovative at the time). In general I think that is one takes 'mma' training, takes out the sporting talk, adds 'street' talk instead and suddenly a whole different crowd of people are interested in what is essentially the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:44 pm

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But I personally equate all training with the street, as that's the only thing that interests me.
That's grand if that your sole interest, but it doesn't seem very logical to say "I'm unimpressed by that because it's not suitable for the street", when the aim of it has nothing to do with 'street'.

If my sole interest was MMA I could say I was unimpressed by BJJ gi chokes, but really, would that actually mean anything?
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:53 pm

Probably better to say I'm unimpressed with the concept. I don't like the concept, and don't find it interesting. It's a bit like maths for me - Sure I'll need to add things, but I 'aint ever going to use a quadratic equation. Therefore, from my own personal perceptive, it's pointless to learn it.

Am I impressed by the individual skills? Yep.
Am I impressed with some aspects of the training? Yep.
Am I impressed with MMA from a technical aspect? Yep, but do I like watching it or find it slightly interesting? Not really... Not enough blunt force trauma for my liking - far too much rolling around the floor.

I like Paul Bonner, as an artist - but I hate Picasso. See?
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:05 pm

tim wrote:
Well MMA training in general is no more confined than the Animal day stuff which I presume you are a fan of, except that good MMA guys would be of a much higher standard in general (that's not to take away from the fact that Animal Day was quite innovative at the time). In general I think that is one takes 'mma' training, takes out the sporting talk, adds 'street' talk instead and suddenly a whole different crowd of people are interested in what is essentially the same thing.


Just saw this post.

I'm not with you here.... I see Animal Day as a lot less confined than MMA. Animal day is not restricted buy rules in the same way it would be in a ring. You can hit to the back of the head for example or elbow. You're also encouraged to bit and gouge (but safety has to be observed).

Animal Day has changed over the last 10 years to. Most people in our field, will not want to go for the ground. It's not a good place to be (tactically). Also, now it's tends to be set up now as a street fight would be. Well, I guess it depends on who you are training with.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:12 pm

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Probably better to say I'm unimpressed with the concept. I don't like the concept, and don't find it interesting. It's a bit like maths for me - Sure I'll need to add things, but I 'aint ever going to use a quadratic equation. Therefore, from my own personal perceptive, it's pointless to learn it.
Sorry but you are saying different things here. There is a difference between saying you are unimpressed by something and that you are not interested in it. Are you really saying you are unimpressed the concept of mathematics (to use your own analogy) because you are not personally interested in it.

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Am I impressed by the individual skills? Yep.
Am I impressed with some aspects of the training? Yep.
Am I impressed with MMA from a technical aspect? Yep, but do I like watching it or find it slightly interesting? Not really... Not enough blunt force trauma for my liking - far too much rolling around the floor.
Cool, itís not for everyone of course. I personally donít really watch a whole lot of combat sports myself when they are on TV. Iíd find them more interesting to train in than watch really.

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I'm not with you here.... I see Animal Day as a lot less confined than MMA. Animal day is not restricted buy rules in the same way it would be in a ring. You can hit to the back of the head for example or elbow. You're also encouraged to bit and gouge (but safety has to be observed).
well you can elbow in MMA, and punching to the back of the head is not a big difference, this actually happens quite a bit in mma sparring actually unintentionally. The fundamentals are identical, the rules can change a little. I throw knees to the head on the ground sometimes just for the fun of it, even though that isnít allowed in MMA competition generally, except in Japan and a few other places.

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Animal Day has changed over the last 10 years to. Most people in our field, will not want to go for the ground. It's not a good place to be (tactically). Also, now it's tends to be set up now as a street fight would be.
Fair enough, Iíve only ever seen the older stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:58 pm

I had an MMA match at the weekend, which I should be uploaded to the show's site soon enough hopefully. I'll post the link when I get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:40 pm

Good stuff - hope it went well for you. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:57 pm

Yep, in and out of the cage without too much delay! afro
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PostSubject: Re: Videos of what you do!   Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:14 pm

Very cool mate...

I was at Armageddon on Saturday night with Lee and Jon. Some great fights!
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